Mr. Chito Salud
Commissioner, Philippine Basketball Association
186 E. Rodriguez Jr. Ave., Libis, Quezon City
Dear Sir:
First of all, allow me to tell you that I am an avid PBA fan for over 20 years now. Ever since Great Taste traded away Manny Victorino, Jimmy Manansala and cash for a rookie named Allan Caidic, I was hooked. By extension, I moved on to the Ginebra train when Caidic became Assistant Coach to Rino Salazar. In fact, a big part of the reason my blog, From the Fifty Peso Seats, was put up is because of this love for Asia's first pro basketball league. This is why recent developments have caused me great concern. I see you every time I watch the PBA live (which is often) and I know you are a hands-on commissioner.
Everyone talks of how Ginebra is proving too tough for Gilas, but there is a difference between playing tough and physical and playing dirty and unfortunately, it seems Ginebra has lost track of the line. They are intentionally hurting Gilas in the guise of playing tough. In the video below, Mark Caguioa executes a pre-meditated elbow to the back of Lassiter's head (23 sec mark). The sad part is, this was the second elbow to the back of the head on a Gilas player in Game 1 (1st one was Yancy de Ocampo's on Douthit, 3rd video 35 sec mark). There are other incidents too. De Ocampo chops at Douthit's fractured hand (video below). Aside from Caguioa's intentional trip on JV Casio in game 1's 4th quarter (3rd video, 2:13 mark), what scared me the most was Billy Mamaril's intentional squeezing and wrenching of Marcus Douthit's fractured hand, also in the 2nd half. Unfortunately, I can find no videos of this incident posted yet. Hopefully you can take a look at them too.
It absolutely baffles me that fans find humor in this and declare Gilas unready for international play since they are "soft." These do not serve to make Gilas any tougher. Wrenching of a fractured hand, tripping and elbows to the back of the head can not only hurt a person, but seriously maim them. What it can't do is make the Gilas players ready for the FIBA Asia. Malicious fouls like those have no place in even the smallest of baranggay leagues, let alone the nation's most prestigious league and the biggest question is, "Why do them on this team?" Why do them on a team of young men who never once publicly showed any form of arrogance or dirty play? Why do them on a team of young men who answered the nation's call to represent us in the FIBA Asia when no one else as capable would?
I realize as I write this that you have already punished Caguioa with a fine for a flagrant foul penalty 2 and another fine for tripping, but perhaps a stronger message could be sent by a game suspension. Win or lose Wednesday, Caguioa and the league is better served to miss a game after that, as a strong reminder that PBA players are the youth's greatest role models for basketball, that being a PBA All Star and champion is not just about scoring records and trophies but also the responsibility to be role models with outstanding attitude and sportsmanship.
A part of me just wants Ginebra to end the series soon because I fear for Gilas' safety. How messed up is that? Never even once in the two decades I watched the PBA have I ever wanted a series to end and that is why I am writing to you sir. The PBA has always been a great league, something I love, something I defend and something I support. Some of my fondest memories in college was watching Ginebra with my blockmates, constantly starting the chants of, "Hee-ne-bra!" For now, though, I'm keeping my authentic Caguioa jersey folded and hidden in my closet. I pray that you help me regain the pride to unfurl it and wear it again.
57 comments:
thats the reason i dont root for ginebra. they play dirty and uses the fans as their shields when they are being criticized.
theyve been fined.
http://teampilipinas.info/2011/04/ginebra-mentor-uichico-2-other-players.html
Gilas Fan Boy nasan naman dun ang siko? hahah
Meron ngang konti sorry pero what the heck? Ano ba gusto mo? Panoorin mo nalang si Eugene Torre o kaya manood ka WNBA yun di masyadong nagkakasakitan. Sa plagay mo ba yung pisikal na laro lang nang Ginebra ang nagpanalo sa kanila?
Don't hide on being a so-called BGK Diehard...please your not...BGK is in or blood so don't insult us by pretending of being one...
kahit sa kanto may sakitan... sabi nga ni anthony taberna dati sa punto por punto, ang mga players ng national team, parang takot ma-injure. play hard, get better. major pain, major gain.
kung ayaw masaktan wag na maglaro...kung si yeng guaio pa kalaban nilang coach sigurado doble pa ang sakit na mararamdaman nila sa katawan....takte yan...
Wala nmn excemptions sa foul...ALAM NAMAN NG SMART GILAS YON....YUN ANG WEAKNESS NIYA YUNG INJURY NIYA SA KAMAY ANONG GUSTO MO IFOUL DUN SA WALANG PROBLEMANG KAMAY..TANGA!!!!!!!!!! KUNG AYAW MONG MANOOD NG MAY SAKITAN MANOOD KA NG CHESS TSAKA BOWLING...BASKETBALL YAN HINDI NAMAN CHESS...AT PLEASE HINDI KA ISANG DIE HARD FAN KASI DI MO ALAM KUNG PANO MAGLARO....WALANG KAKWENTA KWENTANG BLOG TO..MASYADONG PAAWA!
Kung ayaw nila masaktan, magchess na lang sila, they also need to build up mental toughness, yun ang ginagawa ng BGK, kailangan ng ANGAS, mas pisikial sa International play, baka hindi lang yan mangyari sa kanila, sa pangangatawan lang, batang bata talaga Smart Gilas, magkakaalamn yan sa Game nila FIBA, kung may ibubuga ba talaga Gilas,
Why do them on a team of young men who never once publicly showed ANY form of arrogance or DIRTY play?
- Oh C'mon, you're funny! Wow, nakafocused ka lang sa Ginebra players. How about Lassiter elbowing rookie John Wilson in Game 2? Lassiter again, holding Tubid's head in Game 2 again? Douthit also caught elbowing Yancy in Game 1. There's a lot more incidents like that na hindi na dapat gawing big deal, because it's BASKETBALL! Expect physical contact, bawal ang nana, and besides Semis na.
About sa pagtira kay Marcus, ayaw nyang lumala injury nya? Eh di sana di sya naglaro. Expected na kung san ang weakest dun sya titirahin. Kalaban sya eh!
Why do them on a team of young men who answered the nation's call to represent us in the FIBA Asia when no one else as capable would?
- Well, it's PBA and not FIBA. FYI, maraming PBA players ang capable para irepresent ang bansa naten. MAS experience at tough. At naging part na din sila ng Team Pilipinas like Mark and Jayjay.
Ok lang na nabasa ko ung blog mo na 2, haha. Ito ang good read:
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/sportsaholic/gin-kings-taking-smart-gilas-school-20110418-012436-510.html
o sige na BGK na ang magaling....BGK na ang da best..sana kayo na lang ang ipanglaban sa mga FIBA zonal games para malaman nyo kung gaano kagaling ang BGK nyo..
May pikon oh? Nasa PBA ang laban at Gilas at BGK yun. Kung sa FIBA, iba na yun. Suportado din nang BGK fans yang Gilas
e ano nalang sa FIBA?? may nagsusuntukan pa nga dun diba? tapos sa pba hindi nila kaya yung physicality? katangahan!!! manood nalang kayo ng chess, walang "sikuhan", "hilahan", at "tisuran" dun. mga BADING kayo!! at yung free throws ni brumfield e dahil agressive siya. kitang-kita nman mga foul pag nagdridrive sya sa basket e.
may mga nagtake ng BITTER HERBS dito hehehe... GINEBRA FAN DAW si kuya! PWE! bagay sayo ELASTOSEAL sabi nga ni Richard del Rosario Kahit sa PLASTIC DUMIDIKIT!... hindi mo kailangan magpanggap na Ginebra fan namfufu! PWEEEE!!!
KAWAWANG GILAS FAN...DI MATANGGAP NA NATATALO LANG SILA NG GINEBRA!! TSKK
Ang daming BGK fans dito.... mga goons. BGK plays the Philippine brand of basketball, puro angas, yabang, sakitan at reklamo; the brand of basketball that is irrelevant sa International Competition. Puro katarantaduhan ang alam gawin sa court. Kaya pagdating sa international competition laging kulelat.
Mali yata ang desisyon ng SBP na palaruin ang SG sa PBA. They were hoping to get the support ng mga pinoy but instead puro batikos at kaaway yata ang nakuha. Kawawang National Team.
kuya, di ka BGK fan.
Ang daming Gilas fan mga iyakin at mama's boy haha. Pano tatagal ang Gilas sa FIBA eh mga malalambot haha
bobo nag blog nito.....
we can't blame the geinebra fans ..they r the most dirtiest fan,,the likes of Rudy Distrito and Jawaskis are the most dirtiest player in the Phil , there will be a day of reckoning, they don't care about the players carrer all they care are the fans all they care about is wining which isn't everything but the only thing for them !..who cares about Distrito ? for me he can go to hell!!and Jawaski..the most idolized player ..my God what were they thinking???do they now advocate dirty players? I felt that the some of the Gilas players wants to end the series end ..look at Baracael , lassiter and Ramos ..they don't wannna take the open shots..whATEVER ..the commisoners cup isn't that important. Caaguiao Ranidel Ocampo Yancy Ocampo are dirty players ,...the PBA will be better without them . Hurting players are second nature for them ..its premeditated http://redsports.sg/2009/10/01/slingers-ginebra-caguioa-jeffers-basketball/
ano chess na lang laruin natin? kung ayaw nyo sa Ginebra who cares? Basta kami will cheer Ginebra and after that OUR NATIONAL SMART TEAM GILAS.
anong bago sa ganung laro? eversince ganyan na talaga ang laro ng pinoy kahit sa ibang bansa ganyan din.... hindi lang naman ang ginebra ang naglalaro ng physical game.. lahat ng team namimisikal din... so baka gusto mong palabasin e... wag sayaran ng mga player ng ginebra ung smart gilas para hindi mainjure? ganun ba? remember hindi ito elemination round.. nasa playoffs na tau ng semi finals kaya asahan mo na, na physical game yan... alam ni salud ang ginagawa nya. kaya nga nya pinasale ung smat gilas sa pba e.. to learn and earn tatctics like brumfild did.... tingin mo rin ba na, sa fiba walang balyahan? or pisikalan? imposible naman ata un!!! kahit sa NBA may balyahan at suntukan pa... GINEBRA fan ako kapag may laban ang ginebra.. at SMART GILAS kapag naglalaro sila sa ibang bansa... kaya sana matuto sila at wag lalampa lampa... UN LANG.. PEACE!!
Karma is a BITCH! all the dirty players and fans alike from Ginebra will get their own, in one way or another. Hope that shit bites you all in the ass 10x harder! Fuckers!
mayayabang mga ginebra fans tama sinulat nang blogger :D
I have respect for both teams. Ginebra is a legendary team and Smart Gilas is our national team.
Given na ang pagiging physical ng basketball. Pero lahat naman ata ng tao ayaw masaktan...pero siyempre hindi nga maiiwasan yun. But still iba na ang pagiging physical ng laro if it isn't being done intentionally to injure someone talaga.
From what others are saying alam kong iba ang mundo ng PBA sa FIBA...but basketball is the common denominator di ba?
I understand your point Mr. Tee. iisa lang naman ang point...don't play dirty. Yun lang. Play physical...but not intentional to HURT someone talaga.
I pray that both teams won't get injuries tomorrow. There can be bups, pushes, falls etc etc. wag lang po injury. Wag lang po talaga.
Mga ULUPONG kayong mga Hee-neb-ra fans. Talagang WALA KAYONG CLASS!!!
HAHAHA...Habang buhay na kayong ganyan sa level na yan...hahaha. PITY
even me,ginebra fan dn, but when i watched d game live vs gilas natakot dn ako kc parang may mali, being physical is accepted but playing a dirty game is being unprofessional... i also observed na dmi bad calls ng referees over gilas, i know both teams were aware kung anu man ang ngyari...pero d nla hawak ang decision ng mga referees...sna lng s susunod n game, wla ng massaktan ng sobra, wlang magtatake advantage s injury ng iba...be fair guys, cno ba maccra? d masaya manalo kung kung alm mong nanlamang ka ng kapwa mo... just do ur best...good luck for both teams...
Thank you for this letter.I'm a Gilas fan.We should all be,because they'll represent our country.Unfortunatelly your letter wan't help,because they don't want to allow the finals between TNT and Gilas.The gym wouldn't be full???!!!About this comments concerning elbows from Gilas players,I have to say that simply,are not the truth!!!!! No Gilas player is using elbow.There was never elbow from Lassiter.If so,he would be fined,don't worry!!!!Also,on the game 2,it was mentioned that Lassiter was holding Tubid for head.Refs watched the replay on the game!!!! Lassiter was trying to make a block,and while landing he fell on Tubid,who grabed him for jersey and pushed down on the floor.It was just unexpected situation.Luckily there were no cosiquences for both players. Douthit is fined,but not for the elbow!!!! It was landing spot violation.There was also landing spot violation from Tubid on Chris Tiu,but he is not fined.During this conference,Gilas players suffered from injuries with broken bones or teared ligaments,cuts on the face(from elbows)all from savage fouls,that were never even called.Not only the refs have their mission(????),but players and coaches showed a lot of hate???!!!We should be concerned.This is not the nicest picture of us as a people,and we did this,to our people???!!!!
someone said.. if nba players were set to play in the pba, they will never survive? why? the physical play... it has always been a part of philippines basketball.. better known as "gulang" or dupong... yes it is a major part of our basketball culture... masyado pa ngang maluwag dito.. sa intl rules, pag technical 2ft at ball possession kya takot ang sino man na gumawa ng kalokohan but here ibahin nyo...
if i know, the Gilas team is more than aware na halos lahat ng team sa pba e may bruiser player may bruiser team pa nga.. that means na sumabak talaga sila sa gyera and i believe na handa talaga sila...
infairness to the BGK... they escaped the 2nd game with a lot of physicality.. and i know The Gilas boys are aware na kasama na rin ang konting magic ng officiating...
infairness din, BGK also displayed "OA" na defense with what i call "STROKE OF LUCK" kaya they got the "W"...
this is ball game.. not a game of personal affairs... you shoot the ball thats it, you missed it then sorry...
but what is important is the essence of the game.. Gilas didnt join this league just to fight for that prestigious PBA championship but rather just a mere preparation,.. bonus na lang if they bag the crown... and WE GREATLY KNEW that this was not part of the original plan.. personally, i've been a long time supporter and believer of this team.. i know the hardships and sacriices they had just to bring us back to the golden days of the sport which we did excelled on for quite sometime... i know some of them personally, some of them may look full of swagger to other people but I tell and assure you that they are good people so dont ever MOCK them or utter undesirable words... same goes for All... sayang eh.. BGK plays with a lot of passion.. proven na yan but passion is way way different from Altercations... why not cheer for our teams with pride and not with arrogance.... corny but this is way way better than what you guys are doing... sa ibang forums nga malala pa...
bottom line... lets all be happy! cheer lang ng maayos! mananalo ang deserving na manalo!!! ok guys!!??? peace out!!!!
i don't think ginebra plays dirty, they're just one hell of a tough team....they play their hearts out each time they are on the hard court...that's what smart gilas should learn....jaworski is the toughest player ever to play basketball in the pba...if your a jaworski hater then you would definetely say that he is a dirty player but i don't think he is...as what ive said he is just the toughest player ever to play in the pba.....
i don't think ginebra plays dirty, they're just one hell of a tough team....they play their hearts out each time they are on the hard court...that's what smart gilas should learn....jaworski is the toughest player ever to play basketball in the pba...if your a jaworski hater then you would definetely say that he is a dirty player but i don't think he is...as what ive said he is just the toughest player ever to play in the pba.....
tignan mo muna ang meaning sa dictionary ng "tough" at "dirty". Isa kang ULUPONG!!!
Mga bobo! Kung gusto nyong makapanood ng sakitan, manood na lang kayo ng MMA at Boxing!
BGK ang salot ng PBA at ang fans nila ang salot sa Pilipinas. Mga Tanga! Alamin nyo muna ang history ng basketball, kung sino ang gumawa at kung bakit nilagyan ng FOUL sa rules.
Tough play ba ang siko sa batok? Ang mamatid? Mga bugok!! Inumin nyo na lang yang Gin nyo hanggang mamatay kayo!
LOL!
I'm torn between two teams kaya gusto ko maging neutral dito, kase pareho naman may point at pinaglalaban ang ginebra fans & gilas fans..
--hai kaya di umuunlad ang Pilipinas e, kase mismo taung mga Pilipino nag-aawayan at ng dahil pa sa basketball. kunsabagay may karapatan naman ang lahat para sabihin ang sariling opinyon. At ano ba mapapala nung iba if pagtatanggol ang bawat team, (may bayad ba from Pangilinan or Cojuangco? how i wish hahaha..)
>(masingit lang sino ba naunang team na naformed, lols PEACE! :p)
---seriously... ano ba yan kung kelan holy week oh, mahiya naman lahat kay papa Jesus!! kasalanan ang mag-away. LET THERE BE PEACE ON EARTH! bago pa mag-end of the world. GOD BLESS YOU ALL! ;)
siko ni Cagiuao(caught on tape) dirty plyers will always be dirty wherever they go!! Just like Ginebra Fans http://redsports.sg/2009/10/01/slingers-ginebra-caguioa-jeffers-basketball/
Ginebra and Gilas fan po ako , alam ko kanyan kanyang opinion po tayo pero sana yung opinion natin maging makabuluhan po , wag na sana gumamit ng term na mamatay :) May kanya kanyang team po tayong gusto kung ayaw niyo ang Ginebra wag na lang magsalita against sa kanila kasi wala naman sila gnagawang masama sa atin :) Ang basketball po kahit saan tignan physicalan po . Nkakalungot lang kasi tayo tayo mga PBA fans nagsisiraan . Kanya kanyang diskarte lang yan sa Hard court , ang mga PBA players nagrerespatuhan kaya sana tayong Fans din gnun :)
Respeto ba ang sikuhin ka ng nakatalikod? Ang patirin ka ng intensyonal? Brad kitang kita sa tv ang ginawa. Let's call it what it is. Magkaiba ang playing physical sa nananakit ng intensyonal.
Nung nananakit na si Calvin Abueva nung final minutes nung championship game nila against San Beda, si Coach Ato Agustin na mismo ang naglabas at di na pinalaro uli si Abueva kahit crucial na.
Yan ang kailangan matutunan ni Jong Uichico at ng mga fans ng BGK. Naniko na nga, pinalakpakan nyo pa ng na-thrown out. Very good talaga!
Good points! but do we need to keep our mouth polluted? nah!... pwede naman tayong mag "INTELLIGENT TALK" without any verbal altercations... just an opinionated exchange of ideas..
grabe, ULUPONG, buwaya? ano pa? this is not what we should be... kahit anong klase pang upbringing sayo ng pamilya or ng paligid nyo di naman appropriate to.. pano na lang kung may pumatol sa inyo... masasabi bang nasa katwiran kang sabihan na ULUPONG ang isang tao?
ah INTELLIGENT TALK ba ang gusto mo?
Sige pare, how can you intelligently defend Barangay Ginebra Gin Kings' antics on the court?
Kapag Hee-neb-rah fans ang kausap mo. Di uubra ang "INTELLIGENT TALK". Susmiyo baka mg duguan ang ilong ng mga yan.
kaya nga... wag na lang patulan ung mga arrogant na fans... kung ganun lang lagi sila... i can conclude na hyperbolic na ung mga pinagsasabi nila...
http://redsports.sg/2009/10/01/slingers-ginebra-caguioa-jeffers-basketball
Sya pa ang galit?! LoL
Sabay chant ng HI-NE-BRA..... lupet talaga ng pinoy! Nakakahiya.
Even if you say that basketball is physical (unlike chess), IBA PARIN ANG NANGGUGULANG. KAYA, PWEDE BA, MAG-ISIP MUNA BAGO MAGCOMMENT. Ang tatanga.
Hindi porket madami ang bgk fans ay pwede nang ituring tama ang mali. Kung intensyonal na sinaktan ng ginebra ang mga players ng gilas, wag na baluktutin ang mali sa pagsasabi na pisikal ang laro ng basketball.
" May kanya kanyang team po tayong gusto kung ayaw niyo ang Ginebra wag na lang magsalita against sa kanila kasi wala naman sila gnagawang masama sa atin :) " - Nanood ka ba ng game 1? Or nun youtube video at least? May ginagawa sila... intensiyonal nilang sinasaktan ang ating national team! Dapat walang lugar para sa ganyan sa ProLeague! Come on PBA! It's not all about gate receipts...
just a tought... feeling ko yung ibang nagcocomment dito, di gilas fan parang sa ibang team e kase laking galit sa ginebra.
--pero may ibang comments dito caught my attention!
ano po sabi mo "lupet talaga ng mga pinoy! nakakahiya"?
>baket di ka po ba pinoy? parang sinabi mo na rin po na di ka proud na maging pinoy, dahil lng sa mga ginebra fans.. parang talo ka na din po nyan kase parang yung sarili mo lng din po sinabihan mo e. pati ung iba dito parang sinasabi niyo lng din na ung mga kapwa pinoy niyo di marunong mag-intelligent talk.
--taung mga pinoy nga naman, kayo kayo lng din nag-aaway e, pag kay Pacquiao lng yata nagkakasundo lahat! GO AZKALS na nga lng hahaha.. Peace na! Holy Week, igalang natin. ;)
Great post Mr. Tee! That missed elbow could possibly paralyze the Gilas player had it connected. That's already another level of gulang that can no longer be tolerated or cheered on. Magaling ang BGK pero mas bilib ako sa Smart Gilas.
-DirtyDogXS
Caveat: I love Ginebra, and Gilas is my number 2. I agree with fining hard fouls, but I disagree with the "let's protect our national team" sentiment. They joined the PBA, they should toughen up. Yung mga makakalaban nila sa qualifiers, mas madupang pa sa Ginebra.
In any case, this was well-written and I respect your opinion.
Talo nga ako dahil sa mga BGK fans na walang class and breeding nagiging panget ang imahe ng pinoy.
I'm not going to hide my disappointment sa ugali ng mga pinoy. Pinoy nga ako but I wouldn't turn a blind eye sa mga ugaling hindi maganda ng kapwa ko pinoy dahil kadugo ko sila.
Brad, ikaw ang talo dahil you can't stand up for what is right dahil lang sa Pinoy din sila. Hindi tayo nagaaway away dito, naglalabasan tayo ng opinion. One side is defending unsportsmanlike attitude and actions and hiding it as "Pinoy" brand of basketball while the other side is saying na we should represent our country better by being a true sportsman in every sense of the word.
Brad saan kang side?
Yes we are a 3rd world country. The whole world knows it but we can also show them that we are civilized and that we don't take pleasure in seeing people intentionally hurting other people. Nakakahiya ang ginawa ni Mark Caguioa laban sa isang player ng Singapore Slingers at mas lalong nakakahiya ang pag cheer ng mga kapwa ko Pinoy sa ginawa nyang iyon. The game was internationally televised for the whole world to see.
Yun ang nakakahiya!
Para po sa sumagot sa comment ko :) Bakit po ikaw po ba yung nasaktan ? at opo nanood po ako ng Live nung game 1 :) Bakit po kaya pag hindi kayo fan ng isang team kelangan may sabihing masama :( ang mali lang ng ayaw na team ang kiniktaan niyo ng mali :)eh pano naman yung ibang team may gingawa din na iba :) Respect po tayo ! World peace :) Malapit na Easter Sunday :) God will provide !
Kailangan pa bang ako ang masaktan para sabihin kong mali yung manakit?
May nasabi bang masama laban sa team mo? Nagsasabi lang ng mali ang ginawa.
Kapag ibang team ang may ginawang mali, magsasabi rin ako at malamang yung ibang tao na mali yung ginawa nung team na yun.
Wag kang magpaawa na parang pinagkakaisahan yung team mo. Wala bang ginawang mali ang Barangay Ginebra Gin Kings? Tama bang sikuhin si Douthit ng nakatalikod? Tama bang patirin si Casio? Tama bang sikuhin si Lassiter?
Eh kung ikaw yung naglaro at bigla kang siniko? Di ka ba magrereklamo?
Kuya/ate easy lang po :) hindi po ako nagpapaawa na parang pinagkakaisahan ang team ko dahil nalagay ko po sa unang post ko im a fan of gilas and ginebra . Sige po kuya/ate bye bye po :) Ang puso niyo po ah :) Ingat lagi !
Hahaha yan ang "INTELEGENT TALK." Walang nai-contribute sa usapan. Bye bye din. Aral aral muna bata.
Sige po aral aral muna ko :) Nga po pala pinagpray kita kay Nazareno kahapon :) Thanks din po sa pagpansin sa "walang naicontribute na comment ko" :) Ingat po !
Salamat Santino.
Ipagpray mo na rin ang team mo na maglaro ng maayos at wag ng manakit.
HAHAHAH ! :)
Sige po :)
PS--- Girl po pala ako :D
Ok Santina
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